tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8485583244199236996.post2052285586523292630..comments2024-03-27T14:35:59.406-07:00Comments on The Outsider: On the Phenomenon of Right-Wing Western BuddhismPaññobhāsahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14148206217028034038noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8485583244199236996.post-25478407317174771822021-12-03T15:36:55.150-08:002021-12-03T15:36:55.150-08:00This is interesting to me. I am a US territory cit...This is interesting to me. I am a US territory citizen. I am an ethnic Thai, so I grew up with a mix of Western influence in the culture, the parochialism of the island nation, and my parents fairly mainline Buddhist practices (I wouldn't even name a particular sect as we didn't have much opportunity to interact with a tradition, so it was just vaguely Buddhist). I remain Buddhist but not very religious or spiritual. I take Buddhism seriously as a philosophy and life path, and a cultural tie, but I don't even think Buddha was a historical person, much less believe in literal magical places and life energy in the universe, etc. My political and social views are a mix of radical right and radical libertarian, I tend to favor authoritarian, patriarchal but highly decentralized systems with little to no state intervention in the individual, family or community life. So I am one of these right wing Western Buddhists, though in my case I became more right wing the more I studied things and my Buddhism is inherited (though I probably take it more seriously than my parents). Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17496352784069580341noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8485583244199236996.post-18674627066246657812021-03-17T21:48:34.152-07:002021-03-17T21:48:34.152-07:00Thank you for writing this article. I identify so ...Thank you for writing this article. I identify so much with it and it's greatly therapeutic. I especially liked your description of us as '...seeking the cessation of delusion.'Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8485583244199236996.post-26178818569903145282020-02-27T10:31:56.787-08:002020-02-27T10:31:56.787-08:00> and intuitively prefer the path of the “Divin...> and intuitively prefer the path of the “Divine Masculine,” the path of the spirit warrior, so to speak, requiring archetypal masculine virtues such as fearlessness, austerity, a thirst for freedom, an emphasis on head rather than heart, and on cessation of delusion more than cessation of suffering. <br /> <br />You can see elitist Buddhism going in completely the opposite direction. <br />Chogyam Trungpa talked about ideas, about the delusive notions which guide our thinking. <br />His most famous student, the widely published Pema Chodron, talks about how things feel, about emotional life and our "lived experience". <br /> <br />I had a teacher from one tradition, at a retreat, try to get me to not say "I think". I was to replace it with "I feel", and focus on my emotions instead of logic and reason. His entire goal was to make me an emotional, illogical creature. <br /> <br />While we do need to properly acknowledge, understand and process our emotions - they can't be given primacy. That is the way of the woman, and is not suitable for men.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8485583244199236996.post-2212121727676973822020-02-18T06:31:27.352-08:002020-02-18T06:31:27.352-08:00I am sorry for anonymous. But remember. While bein...I am sorry for anonymous. But remember. While being ordained is great. While having a community of Monks is great. The act of renunciation is far greater. Nobody can take that or deny renunciation from you. Now, if you do renounce in a radical fashion extreme emotions will not have proper conditions to manifest. Atta Hi Attano Natho...Inmanusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8485583244199236996.post-90528747851046234222020-02-15T12:23:18.632-08:002020-02-15T12:23:18.632-08:00Your angry, derogatory, and dysfunctional attitude...Your angry, derogatory, and dysfunctional attitude while typing this is a good indication of why you were refused ordination.Paññobhāsahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14148206217028034038noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8485583244199236996.post-68886459325431358742020-02-15T11:58:28.034-08:002020-02-15T11:58:28.034-08:00To respond to this would take a small book but I w...To respond to this would take a small book but I will cover crucial points. First of all, the so called Sangha has failed at being a refuge. I've have to throw my life away over and over to keep the damn basic precepts then there is no room at the monastery either!! Then I get robbed when I live with less than the extravagant monks who worship the buffet with live in women cooks! What kind of karma do you think they are making! They are making themselves a magnet for thieves! 17 years a student and they turn me away and I didnt nothing wrong and there is still room there for jews from others countries! And they do an evil ritual of throwing out thier white rice! Then you tell me anger is evil?! A man can only endure so much! Anger is not malice, and to tell people to not get angry is common among cults! Are you some schism of jew only monks?? It's the dhammayut order that did this to me, chalking it up to the vague intetpretation of "any major illness." i wonfer if he checks if they are eunuchs first. A more elder monk Bhante G said he disagreed with his view of dhamma. I say they should recognize individual differences, and not turn someone away who did nothing wrong! You seem to think lay life is so easy! You ought to assume people are dying in war for you to have your peaceful bubble, and chant the simile of the saw to remind yourself! Plus suttas say a monk should not strike back even if hit with a knife! You guys then do other vinaya all willy nilly. Artwork of people was banned for monks for example. Yet you all bow down to them! I hope your gay and lame shrines and buddharupas are fucking smashed and stolen! Youre not even supposed to look at or talk to women and they get to live there as laypeople and I cant! Fake refuge! Fuck you! Now send me fucking metta asshole cult cryptokike! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8485583244199236996.post-87209387906602515302020-02-14T10:49:04.373-08:002020-02-14T10:49:04.373-08:00Even a Buddhist monk is allowed to strike out in s...Even a Buddhist monk is allowed to strike out in self defense, or to run and hide, or to allow himself to be robbed or murdered. But to deliberately try to kill one's assailant would still be murder and wrong. Being angry also is unskillful kamma. Ultimately from the perspective of Buddhist ethics, anything pleasant or painful that befalls you is the fruition of your own kamma, your own mental states, so ultimately you would have brought it upon yourself. But the thing that interests me is your claim that ordaining you would be "against the vinaya."Paññobhāsahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14148206217028034038noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8485583244199236996.post-25553479340438229992020-02-14T08:31:24.348-08:002020-02-14T08:31:24.348-08:00Hey Bhante, could you please talk about how a layp...Hey Bhante, could you please talk about how a layperson is supposed to defend himself from thieves and killers? Ordaining for me was "against the vinaya," and asking to stay as a layman then: "there's no room." So I invested in land far out in the country to be off grid where I literally get attacked by psychos. What am I supposed to do? All this after being driven from my home by a lying slanderous jew protected by corrupt court system. I swear all this is true. How do communties deal with this? I am very angry since monks in comparison are living like kings yet claim to be pacifist renunciates! This is also why the alt-right is justified, I am living proof.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8485583244199236996.post-75557459681830441852020-02-13T19:18:22.577-08:002020-02-13T19:18:22.577-08:00I've met lots of western Buddhists, and as far...I've met lots of western Buddhists, and as far as I can tell they were all sincere, even if they had some weird or sloppy ideas about Buddhism, and mixed their Dhamma with western fashion trends. Western monks aren't really "forced to pander to the biggest donors," although some may pander anyway, for all I know. Most big donors are either Asian Buddhists or else devout westerners with lots of money. The idea that western Buddhism is deliberately keeping people unenlightened is a rather extreme view relying on conspiracy theories that don't have much evidence backing them up. It may be, though, that some cultural Marxists in the 20th century endorsed western Buddhism much in the same way they endorsed feminism, gay rights, open borders, and rampant sensuality, as a way of destabilizing traditional western values and norms, but that's a far cry from seeing western Buddhism in general as some kind of insidious plot.Paññobhāsahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14148206217028034038noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8485583244199236996.post-62600897823680130332020-02-13T18:54:14.905-08:002020-02-13T18:54:14.905-08:00You seem to say that leftism in Buddhist communiti...You seem to say that leftism in Buddhist communities is merely accidental. What if it is actually very much more deliberate, insidious, and sinister? The monks, lacking austerity and wandering as you point out, are forced to pander to the biggest donors for thier comfy livelihood, and this is what allows the leftist agendas to be injected into society, like a vaccine against awakening, yes, for that evil of an objective... That of preventing escape thru the valid and Aryan Dhamma-magga. They unironically want to prevent people from becoming saints, and enslave wagies, and cause people to fall into dugatim.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8485583244199236996.post-25812279559691982762020-02-11T19:16:14.551-08:002020-02-11T19:16:14.551-08:00Great write up!
I can totally get the second group...Great write up!<br />I can totally get the second group of "alt right" Buddhsits. I fall into this group as well. I was lucky to find Buddhism as a refuge. I started out with no direction immersed in the many ways and views of the west. It may be cliche but I felt a bit like a Kalama early on but once I got into Buddhism that was it. Been Buddhist ever since. For whatever reason I am wired libertarian with deep traditional conservative undertones. I venerate those with great restraint and who practice non transgression and/or (especially) those who are wise and refined. <br /><br />As for the white Nationalists. I feel kind of bad for them but also accept them. I actually feel like they are right on many points and think it is very possible that their views of recent history might be correct. BUT! They are (in my opinion) very deluded in their view on the Nature. They tend to lean too heavily on the materialistic side of things. They are obsessed with race or as they put it, "Blood and Soil". They would much rather follow some wheel turning monarch than a Buddha if you ask me. They don't heed the teachings on anicca, dukkha, and anatta enough. If they did and they applied those teachings they would not cling as they do. Even Evola seemed to come to his senses on this. Samsara goes round and round. Rise and fall rise and fall. Birth, growth, decay, death everywhere you go. Yet, they think at this stage that the west can be made again in the utopian image of Hitler? All things require work to be maintained. This is an aspect of dukkha. Maybe they can find some degree of separation somewhere and rebuild. I hope they can and that they can live happy but I feel they might be barking up the wrong tree. Take the Sakyan clan for example. How did it end for them? The Buddha preached the law to them and those with sense renounced. All the proud ones who stayed behind were sadly wiped out due to old grudges and old kamma. <br /><br />Oh yeah and SJW marxist stuff is total trash. This I agree with and I'd rather be in the company of Nazi's than any SJW. Especially if it's a cool Nazi like Brian Ruhe! 😄<br />Inmanusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8485583244199236996.post-10463328897686842152020-02-09T16:35:41.131-08:002020-02-09T16:35:41.131-08:00I’m not very groupy, but if I’m in any group, it’s...I’m not very groupy, but if I’m in any group, it’s the one you are in. In England, from late-teens on (1950s), I knew many left-wingers, a lot of them extreme - some resorted to bombing, and machine-gunned the US Embassy in London – but I was never attracted to their views. I was perhaps of the sensible left, but over time the left became far less sensible and more extreme. In Australia, I worked for a very good Labor PM (Bob Hawke) and government, but the ALP went downhill post-Hawke and I ceased voting for them in the 1980s; they’ve gone further downhill since, and I’m most in tune with some rational right-of-centre people. I’m not a Buddhist but have practised Vipassana meditation since 1972, and this has of course informed my outlook on life and politics; but I have many (sadly-deluded!) leftist friends, including some meditators. I tend to see the West in general as being on a self-destructive path which will cede power and influence to dictatorial countries with far poorer policies and views on, and respect for, life. So while I’m not in the groups you discuss, I can see why they exist.Michael Cunninghamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14933921928383382118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8485583244199236996.post-45744606558196644122020-02-08T19:49:24.970-08:002020-02-08T19:49:24.970-08:00I've deliberately avoided naming the publicati...I've deliberately avoided naming the publication, largely because I have no idea how it will turn out, or if it will turn out. If the article is published, though, I'll probably post the link.Paññobhāsahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14148206217028034038noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8485583244199236996.post-40030185116183765282020-02-08T17:56:00.235-08:002020-02-08T17:56:00.235-08:00May I ask which magazine it is you gave your inter...May I ask which magazine it is you gave your interview to?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com